Review of Zoundry, Microsoft Live Writer and Flock with Textpattern

Over the course of several days, I struggled to use Zoundry, Microsoft Live Writer or Flock to post to my Turtle Interactive blog. None of these desktop blog writing tools for Textpattern really works well with the new XML-RPC plug-in for Textpattern.

I experienced annoying bugs with all of them. In the end, Live Writer was the least buggy and what I’m using to write this entry.

Zoundry

This is the application that seemed to be the most likely to work and frankly is the one which I would like to use. But I continue to get errors that make it impossible to use.

Setup

Set up went pretty well; auto-detect worked. It is the only application to actually support “Textpattern” blogs. However, Zoundry sees each “section” as a separate blog and each section has the same blog entries. This is very confusing.

Writing

Writing entries is pretty straight-forward, but the most glaring problem is that there is no way create any h1, h2, h3 tags using its editor. You can just make stuff bigger or smaller—but not using markup but embedded style tags. Yuck!

Posting

The wizard the steps you through publishing the entry is the most complete; however, it rarely worked for me. I got “Error posting entry” when editing existing some blog entries, but not all. It was very frustrating and I gave up trying to find a pattern. I seemed to have no problems posting new entries.

Microsoft Live Writer

I did not expect to be writing this using a Microsoft product, but it is the least bugy solution. It also has some nice features that were easy to use.

Setup

To my surprise, set up was easy, however, there is no “documentation” for how to use Textpattern with Live Writer. You just need to use the Custom MovableType API. It is pretty smart.

Writing

It has a simple text editor that supports h1, h2, h3 tags. It also has a nice feature where you can write your entry seeing it “live” in your blog. That is a really cool feature. Also I like the nice way that it allowed you to edit and insert images. Worked very nice for me.

Posting

The only bug is that it did not write to the “URL-only title” field in Textpattern. I found that if this field is empty, the entry would appear on the article list, but I would get a 404 error when full page.

If you filled out the Properties > Link field (at the bottom of the screen) and published your entries in draft mode—then it did. This sucks.

For some reason, if ”URL-only title” field was left blank I got 404 errors. This may not be a bug for Live Writer but for Textpattern.

Flock

I was really hoping that Flock was going to be my solution. With it’s built-in support for Flickr and the web snippets—I figured it would be a my blogging utopia. Alas, it falls short.

Setup

Textpattern is not one of the supported blogs, but you use the same Custom Movable Type setup procedure as for Live Writer. It is not bad.

Writing

Like with Zoundry, there is no support for using heading tags (h1, h2, etc.). It also lack any ability to edit blog entries by download them from your blog; it only works from what is locally saved on your hard drive. The drag and drop support for Flickr is pretty cool—but do I really want to upload all my blog images to my Flickr account?

Posting

I will use Flock to post new entries.

Questions

Maybe some folks smarter than me can answer these questions,

  • Why does Textpattern documentation say I can leave the “URL-only title” field blank? But I get 404 errors if I do? Is this because of the whole “clean URLs” functionality?
  • Should I set my preferences in Textpattern from “Use Textpattern” to “Leave text alone”?

I would love to hear from anyone else attempting to use the XML-RPC plugin for Textpattern.

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  1. 1Clive Walker 728 days ago

    I am trying Live Writer at the moment with TextPattern. I have not had the URL-only title problems that you describe. LW seems to fill in this field automatically for me and I have no 404 problems.

    LW seems like a good tool, the code is clean – but, its not XHTML compliant (which TextPattern is). This may not be important for everyone, I guess. However, it’s not so great for me when LW starts adding deprecated font tags. The Live Preview works great though!

    I plan to try Zoundry next. You mentioned no H1, H2 tags – but there is an XHTML editor mode isn’t there?

  2. 2Tim Bednar 725 days ago

    Maybe I’ve got something incorrectly set up with Live Write it does not fill in the URL-only title. I’m all for web standards, and valid code.

    I too would like it to do valid xhtml; it is pretty close. My first problem is that I need to get my site valid first :)

  3. 3Tim Bednar 723 days ago

    I found that Live Write likes the MetaWeblog API (I was using the Movable Type Custom API) except that it can not “refresh the categories” (The response to the metaWeblog.getCategories method received from the weblog server was invalid.)—but now I am able to correctly post to the site AND edit exising entries with no problems.

    Zoundry likes the MetaWeblog API. But it still has the same problems with editing existing entries. I kept on getting errors. It was able to grab the categories unlike Live Writer.

    I also tried BlogJet and it worked great with the MetaWeblog API—even was able to grab the categories (unlike Live Writer). But it has a weak editor (no way to choose a heading tag) and opens only BlogJet entries saved locally (does not get articles from Textpattern). For $39.99, it really needs to have these features.

    So far Live Writer is closest—because its free; but I have to figure out the categories.

    I am going to take a look at Etco.

  4. 4Joe Cheng [MSFT] 720 days ago

    If TextPattern requires you to fill in that URL field, then someone on their side must’ve misunderstood what that URL is supposed to mean. Every other blog provider I can think of ignores the field entirely, I’m not even sure why we included it in our UI.

    We have a bug in the way we interpret MetaWeblog category responses, our behavior works for most of the big hosted services but is not perfectly conformant to the MW spec. There’s a refresh of Writer coming very soon that fixes this problem, among others… hopefully it will fix the problem you’re seeing, but if not, please drop me an e-mail.

    Thanks!

  5. 5Tim Bednar 719 days ago

    Posting new entries Live Write does fill in the URL field when I use the MetaWeblog API. But I don’t get categories (I’m really looking forward to the update!).

    If edit an existing entry on my blog Windows Live Write loses the URL and deletes the categories using the MetaWeblog.

    So far Windows Live Write is the best for Textpattern that I have tested.

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